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- Year Of Zeiss Ikon Camera Based On Serial Number | Photo.net ..
I recently inherited a Zeiss Ikon Nettar 515/2 with serial number F17134 and am trying to date it. Zeiss was one of the most famous camera makers and is still a well-known producer of lenses. The company started as Carl Zeiss Jena in Dresden and was renamed Zeiss Ikon in 1926 after merging with several other camera makers. Serial Number: J10488. With: Steritar A. Prism attachment with front plate and rear cap. For 24 x 18 mm exposures. Accessory bracket. Filters for 45 mm standard lens, female thread: UV; Yellow; Green. Metal push-on lens hood for 45 mm lens. Ever-ready case. Mar 27, 2018 The Zeiss-Ikon Contessa 35 was the third new camera produced by Zeiss-Ikon’s Stuttgart factory after the war. It was designed by Hubert Nerwin, who also designed the Ikonta 35, Contaflex, SLR, Contax II, and Tenax cameras. The Contessa primarily competed with the Kodak Retina and shares it’s compact size. Lens manufacturing still continued as Carl Zeiss Jena and the company even made a range of cameras: the Werra. Zeiss Ikon stopped making cameras in 1972. Folding cameras Icarette I (496) Zeiss Ikon was formed in 1926 from the merger of several different camera companies in Dresden, one of which was Ica.
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Zeiss Ikon Contax IIa (type 563/24)
The Contax IIa was manufactured from 1950 to 1961, this one is what is known as a 'color-dial' model, the latter type made from 1954 to 1961, this one being made in mid 1956. The earlier ones are known as 'black-dial' model, and were made from 1950 to 1954. The names refer to the colour of the engraved numbers on the shutter speed dial. On the earlier cameras the numbers were all black, while on the later ones the speeds from 1/100 to 1/1250 second were all coloured red, to signify that they are suitable for flash with FP bulb-flash, and the 1/50 second speed coloured yellow to signify the maximum synch speed for electronic flash.
As you might expect, that is not the only difference. On the 'black-dial' cameras the flash synch port on the rear of the camera top-plate is actually a mechanical device. To connect a flash you need either the 'synchronizing switch' adapter for bulb-flash, or the adapter for electronic flash, which fits to the flash port. On the 'color-dial' cameras the mechanical coupling has been replaced with a standard PC flash connection.
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This camera is fitted with a Carl Zeiss 50mm f/3.5 Tessar lens in a rigid mount. This is a post-war lens made in West Germany, and would have been the cheapest standard lens available at the time for this camera, and as such it is far less common than the 50mm f/2 Sonnar, or perhaps the 50mm f/1.5 Sonnar too.
The camera back is removed completely to load film in the same way as with the pre-war Zeiss Ikon Contax rangefinder cameras, and a removable take-up spool of identical design is used.
The film is advanced with the large knob at the right-hand side of the top cover, the shutter being automatically cocked at the same time. The knob must be wound clockwise, no arrow to help you remember which way, but it only turns one way, so it is difficult to forget.Contax IIa instruction manual on Mike Butkus' excellent website. This is actually for the 'black-dial' variant, but the only practical difference in use is that the 'color-dial' doesn't need a 'synchro switch' for flash connection.
History of Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex Cameras
Recently I started restoring a vintage Ikoflex TLR camera. Before purchasing the camera I ultimately got, I did some internet research on Ikoflexes. They are not a particularly famous brand, so it was a little harder to get information about them. Fortunately, a lot of great information has been recorded at sites like the camera wiki, Pacific Rim Camera, and Barry Toogood’s TLR Cameras Website. As great as these sites are, there seems to be some minor discrepancies between them in places. Having received some basic training as a historian, I wanted to look over the primary sources. As I started gathering source material and sorting through references to the somewhat confusing Ikoflex model designations, I started taking notes. Rather than just keeping my notes to myself, I thought I would contribute back to the internet by posting them.
The title suggests that this post will contain some sort of narrative history of Ikoflex cameras. But, it doesn’t really. It’s mostly data I grabbed from other sources, organized in a way that makes sense to me. This page is a work in progress, so I will continue to update it as I learn more.
Models
The history of the Ikoflex line of cameras is bisected by World War II. So, there are pre-war cameras, a void when the war was raging, and post-war cameras. The post-war cameras start out being just a continuation of the pre-war models: I (850-16), II (852-16), and maybe III (853-16). While researching I found references to new Ikoflex III’s being sold after the war, but it’s not clear if those were produced after the war if they were old stock.
It makes sense that Zeiss Ikon would be happy to just get back to producing the same quality cameras it had been making before the war. The war was very destructive for most of the world. The company was located in Dresden, a city who’s fate was documented in Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse-Five. And, after the war a portion of the company moved to the opposite side of the country – from Dresden to Stuttgart – to escape the fate of the portion. Russia requisitioned the latter’s equipment to help rebuild their own destroyed photography industry.
The real post-war models, when the company was innovating and not just rebuilding, seem to begin with the Ia and the IIa. The models with lowercase letters, and the Favorit, represent true post-war models to me.
Name | Number | Years | Model | Viewing | Taking Lens | Shutter |
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Ikoflex¹ | 850-16 | 1934-37 | E | f/3.5 | Novar f/6.3 | Derval |
Ikoflex¹ | 850-16 | 1934-37 | I | f/3.5 | Novar 80mm f/4.5 | Derval |
Ikoflex¹ | 850-16 | 1934-37 | IK | f/3.5 | Novar 80mm f/4.5 | Klio |
Ikoflex¹ | 850-16 | 1934-37 | CR | f/3.5 | Novar 80mm f/4.5 | Compur-Rapid |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1936-39 | Ik | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/4.5 | Klio |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1936-39 | Ik | Teronar f/3.5 | Triotar 75mm f3.5 | Compur |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1936-39 | Lcr | Teronar f/3.5 | Triotar 75mm f3.5 | Compur-Rapid |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1936-39 | Fc | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/4.5 | Compur |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1939-51 | Fps | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/4.5 | Prontor-S |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1939-51 | Lps | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-S |
Ikoflex I² | 850-16 | 1939-51 | Lps | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar T 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-S |
Ikoflex II³ | 852-16 | 1936-39 | Kc | Teronar f/3.5 | Triotar 75mm f3.5 | Compur |
Ikoflex II³ | 852-16 | 1936-39 | Lcr | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Compur-Rapid |
Ikoflex II³ | 852-16 | 1939-51 | Lcr | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Compur-Rapid |
Ikoflex III | 853-16 | 1939-40 | Teronar f/2.8 | Tessar 80mm f/2.8 | Compur-Rapid | |
Ikoflex Ia | 854-16 | 1952-56 | Fpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SV |
Ikoflex Ia | 854-16 | 1952-56 | Lpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SV |
Ikoflex IIa | 855-16 | 1950-52 | Teronar f/3.6 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Compur-Rapid | |
Ikoflex IIa | 855-16 | 1950-52 | Teronar f/3.7 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Synchro-Compur | |
Ikoflex IIa | 855-16 | 1953-56 | Teronar f/3.6 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Compur-Rapid | |
Ikoflex IIa | 855-16 | 1953-56 | Teronar f/3.7 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Synchro-Compur | |
Ikoflex Ib | 856-16 | 1956-58 | Fpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SVS |
Ikoflex Ib | 856-16 | 1956-58 | Lpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SVS |
Ikoflex Ic | 886-16 | 1959-60 | Fpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Novar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SVS |
Ikoflex Ic | 886-16 | 1959-60 | Lpms | Teronar f/3.5 | Tessar 75mm f/3.5 | Prontor-SVS |
Ikoflex Favorit | 887-16 | 1957-60 | Teronar f/3.5 | Teronar 75mm f/3.5 | Synchro-Compur |
Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta
Table Notes
- Sometimes called Ikoflex I (when below was named Ikoflex II), also nicknamed the “coffee can”
- Was originally named Ikoflex II with number 851-16, took over the name Ikoflex I and number 850-16 when the coffee can model was discontinued
- Was originally named Ikoflex III, took over Ikoflex II when the coffee can model was discontinued, number stayed the same
Data from Primary Sources
The only primary sources I really have are: Zeiss brochures, dealer price lists, and camera shop advertisements. Maybe the company contributed their documents to an archive somewhere, but it would be in Germany and I won’t be traveling there soon, so I am limited to what I can find on the internet. As I looked through these sources I was noting the models available at the time. I tried to find material from various countries. It seems that models may have been selectively available by country at times. If I want to understand what was being produced, then I need to take a more wholistic view.
The table below records the year of the source, how it referenced the Ikoflex line, and the options which it stated were available. I don’t explicitly state the country of origin, mostly because I cannot say for sure. However, the prices are usually a giveaway, which is why I include them. The prices themselves are not super useful since sometimes it represents the dealer prices, but normally it represents the retail price.
Year | Nomenclature | Option | Price |
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1934 | Ikoflex | Novar 1:6,3 | Lr 355.00 |
1934 | Ikoflex | Novar 1:4,5 | Lr 430.00 |
1935 | Ikoflex | With Novar f/4.5 | $36.00 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Novar 1:6,3 Derval | Fr 460 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Novar 1:4,5 Derval | Fr 535 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Novar 1:4,5 Klio | Fr 600 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Novar 1:4,5 Klio (nickle plated) | Fr 700 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Triotar 1:3,8 Comp. (chrome plated) | Fr 870 |
1936 | Ikoflex 6x6¹ | Triotar 1:3,5 Comp. R (chrome plated) | Fr 1215 |
1937 | Ikoflex Model I | Novar f/6.3; Derval | £7.0s.0d. |
1937 | Ikoflex Model II | Novar f/4.5; Derval | £8.5s.0d. |
1937 | Ikoflex Model II | Novar f/4.5; Klio | £9.0s.0d. |
1937 | Ikoflex Model II | Zeiss Triotar f/3.5; Compur 00 | £15.12s.6d. |
1937 | Ikoflex Model II | Zeiss Tessar f/3.5; Compur 00 R | £20.10s.6d. |
1938 | Ikoflex II | Zeiss Tessar f/3.5; Compur Rapid | $95.00 |
1938 | Ikoflex, II | Zeiss Tessar f/3.5; Compur Rapid | $88.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex I (850/16 Fc) | mit Novar 1:3,5; Compur 00 | RM 96.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex II (852/16 Kc) | mit Zeiss Triotar 1:3,5; Compur 00 | RM 144.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex II (852/16 Lcr) | mit Zeiss Tessar 1:3,5; Compur 00 R | RM 186.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex III (853/16 Pesr) | mit Zeiss Tessar 1:3,5; Compur 00 R | RM 320.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex II | ZEISS Tessar f/3.5; Compur-Rapid | $116.00 |
1939 | Ikoflex II (852/16 Kc) | Zeiss Triotar 1:3,5; Compur 00 | £18.0s.0d. |
1939 | Ikoflex II (852/16 Lcr) | Zeiss Tessar 1:3,5; Compur 00R | £23.5s.0d. |
1940 | IKOFLEX I 6x6 | con Novar 1:3,5 Compur | Lr 895 |
1940 | IKOFLEX II 6x6 | con Triotar Zeiss 1:3,5 Compur | Lr 1350 |
1940 | IKOFLEX II 6x6 | con Tessar Zeiss 1:3,5 Compur Rapid | Lr 1725 |
1940 | IKOFLEX III 6x6 | con Tessar Zeiss 1:2,8 Compur Rapid | Lr 2825 |
1941 | IKOFLEX I | Triotar Zeiss 1:3,5 | |
1941 | IKOFLEX II | Tessar Zeiss 1:3,5 | |
1941 | IKOFLEX III | Tessar Zeiss 1:2,8 | |
1944 | IKOFLEX I² | Novar F:3.5 Compur | $64.00 |
1944 | IKOFLEX II² | Zeiss Triotar F:3.5 | $74.25 |
1944 | IKOFLEX II² | Zeiss Tessar F:3.5 Compur Rapid | $94.20 |
1944 | IKOFLEX III² | Zeiss Tessar F:2.8 Compur Rapid | $164.25 |
1946 | Ikoflex I | F3.5 Tessar, case | $82.50 |
1946 | Ikoflex II | F3.5 Tessar, case | $132.50 |
1947 | Ikoflex I | f3.5, case | $165.00 |
1947 | Ikoflex III | Tessar f2.8 | $375.00 |
1948 | Ikoflex I | Novar F3.5, Del. Action | $111.00 |
1948 | Ikoflex I | Tessar F3.5 “T.” Coated | $132.00 |
1948 | Ikoflex I | Tessar F3.5, 1-1/500 | $147.00 |
1949 | Ikoflex I | Novar F:3.5 | $111.00 |
1949 | Ikoflex I | Tess. F:3.5 ctd., case | $132.00 |
1952 | IKOFLEX Ia | NOVAR f/3.5; Prontor SV | $113.00 |
1952 | IKOFLEX Ia | TESSAR f/3.5; Prontor SV | $140.00 |
1952 | IKOFLEX IIa (automatic) | TESSAR f/3.5 Synchro Compur (delivery in 1953) | $200.00 |
1953 | IKOFLEX Ia | NOVAR f/3.5; Prontor SV | $113.00 |
1953 | IKOFLEX Ia | TESSAR f/3.5; Prontor SV | $140.00 |
1953 | IKOFLEX IIa (automatic) | TESSAR f/3.5 Synchro Compur | $200.00 |
1955 | IKOFLEX Ia | NOVAR f/3.5, 75mm; Prontor SV | $76.00 |
1955 | IKOFLEX Ia (854/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5, 75mm; Prontor SV | $96.00 |
1955 | IKOFLEX IIa (855/16 Lcm) | TESSAR f/3.5, 75mm Synchro Compur | $126.00 |
1956 | IKOFLEX Ib (856/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5; Prontor SVS | $99.00 |
1956 | IKOFLEX Ib (856/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5; Prontor SVS | $119.00 |
1956 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5; Prontor SVS | $119.00 |
1956 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5; Prontor SVS | $139.00 |
1957 | Ikoflex Ib (856/16 Fpms) | Novar f/3.5 | |
1957 | Ikoflex Ic (886/16 Fpms) | Novar f/3.5 | |
1957 | Ikoflex Ic (886/16 Lpms) | Tessar f/3.5 | |
1957 | Ikoflex Favorit (887/16 Lcms) | Tessar f/3.5 Synchro-Compur | |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ib (856/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $99.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $126.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $146.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Favorit (887/16 Lcms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Synchro-Compur MXV | $209.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ib (856/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $99.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $126.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $146.00 |
1957 | IKOFLEX Favorit (887/16 Lcms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Synchro-Compur MXV | $209.00 |
1958 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Fpms) | NOVAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $126.00 |
1958 | IKOFLEX Ic (886/16 Lpms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Prontor SVS | $146.00 |
1958 | IKOFLEX Favorit (887/16 Lcms) | TESSAR f/3.5 Synchro-Compur MXV | $159.00 |
Table Notes
- Ikoflex II (851-16) was pictured
Lens Serial Numbers
All of this information comes from Jason Greenberg Motamedi’s website, he cataloged it from other sources which are no longer available. He lists serial numbers for other old large format lense manufacturers too, so if you want information on non-Zeiss lenses take a look at his site.
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Pre-war: Carl Zeiss Jena Serial Numbers
Serial From | Serial To | Year |
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173,418 | 200,520 | 1912 |
208,473 | 249,350 | 1913 |
249,886 | 252,739 | 1914 |
282,800 | 284,500 | 1915 |
285,200 | 288,100 | 1916 |
289,087 | 298,157 | 1917 |
298,215 | 322,748 | 1918 |
322,799 | 351,611 | 1919 |
375,194 | 419,823 | 1920 |
433,273 | 438,361 | 1921 |
422,899 | 498,006 | 1922 |
561,270 | 578,297 | 1923 |
631,500 | 578,297 | 1924 |
631,500 | 648,500 | 1925 |
666,790 | 703,198 | 1926 |
722,196 | 798,251 | 1927 |
903,100 | 908,150 | 1928 |
919,794 | 1,016,885 | 1929 |
922,488 | 1,239,697 | 1930 |
1,239,699 | 1,365,582 | 1931 |
1,364,483 | 1,389,279 | 1932 |
1,436,671 | 1,456,003 | 1933 |
1,500,474 | 1,590,000 | 1934 |
1,615,764 | 1,752,303 | 1935 |
1,674,882 | 1,942,806 | 1936 |
1,930,150 | 2,219,775 | 1937 |
2,267,991 | 2,527,984 | 1938 |
2,527,999 | 2,651,211 | 1939 |
2,652,000 | c2,678,000 | 1940 |
2,678,326 | 2,790,346 | 1941 |
2,800,000 | ? | 1942 |
Post-war: Carl Zeiss Jena, East Germany
Serial Number | Years |
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3,000,000-3,200,000 | 1945-1949 |
3,200,000-3,470,000 | 1949-1952 |
3,470,000-4,000,000 | 1952-1955 |
4,000,000-5,000,000 | 1955-1958 |
5,000,000-6,000,000 | 1958-1961 |
6,000,000-6,000,000 | 1961-1964 |
7,000,000-8,000,000 | 1964-1967 |
8,000,000-9,000,000 | 1967-1970 |
9,000,000-10,000,000 | 1970-1975 |
Hasselblad Flextight X1 And Imacon 848
Post-war: Carl Zeiss (Opton), Oberkochen, West Germany
Serial Number | Years |
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10,000-500,000 | 1946-1951 |
500,000-1,100,000 | 1951-1953 |
1,100,000-2,600,000 | 1953-1959 |
2,600,000-3,000,000 | 1959-1961 |
3,000,000-4,000,000 | 1961-1965 |
4,000,000-5,000,000 | 1965-1969 |
5,000,000-6,000,000 | 1969-1971 |
6,000,000-7.300,000 | 1971-1975 |
References
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Credits
Year Of Zeiss Ikon Camera Based On Serial Number | Photo.net ..
- Cover photo: Library of Congress, call number LC-USF34-029239-D
- Pre-war models: Emanuel, Walter Daniel, Ikoflex Guide: How to Make Full Use of your Ikoflex (New York: Focal Press, 1957)